on women and religion that's true. i actually did one and, but you are right i am saving it for beliefs and believers three, when women return. but you are right helen though, and most texts that i have seen acknowledge that it's coming from a patriarchal perspective. and there are apologists within confucianism and other areas have very - have cogent regions to them on why the primary relationship should be father and son but there is not doubt that we are once again looking at a cultural setting that draws on a male order thing. it's beyond my understanding, and we will have to save it for beliefs and believers three, but how when we are talking about balance, how then do we find a leaning of scenes in terms of relationships of importance to men. so it's a tough one. yes, val. >> daisha dan, the late paleontologist, had this idea that we are all spiraling upward and we will all become one at the new sphere - and that's the idea, the idea of oneness comes into most philosophies, the good, the oneness, the truth, and t